28 November 2024

Day 1009 War in Ukraine

Demonstrators in Tbilisi, Georgia, still believe the election was stolen and that a majority wants to conduct a Maidan revolution, to seize power and to turn against Russia. Tens of thousands of protesters have gathered in multiple cities.

Massive attack on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure. Energy providers have to shut down until damage is fixed. This was the 11th large-scale attack this year.

Zelenskyy concludes Putin wants to escalate before Trump takes office. Putin brags about the Oreshnik missile, which hits with temperature of 4k degrees, turning everything under it to dust. Experts believe Putin is exaggerating, but it’s part of a psyop, trying to freak out Europeans.

Putin has a deeply paranoid point of view towards the West. He feels Ukraine is an artificial construct put together by Lenin. “There is a sense in Moscow that the West has become too comfortable with the war…” To those who know Russia best, their answer is “Keep calm and carry on.”

German intelligence chief suggests NATO invoke Article 5, to go to war in answer to Russia’s provocations.

It is a category error to think we can negotiate peace at this point. Russia began this in 2007 and has mostly pursued it in non-kinetic ways, but war is definitely Russia’s objective.

The reason the US authorized long-range missile launches is “that US officials have concluded that Putin’s nuclear threats were just hollow saber rattling.”

Lots of weaponized pushback from Ukrainian forces.

Ukrainians still had their Thanksgiving feasts!

$5m Russian radar destroyed.

Oil refinery hit.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/11/28/war-for-ukraine-day-1009-russia-attacks-ukraines-energy-infrastructure-in-the-small-hours-of-the-night/

 

Day 1007 War in Ukraine

 


Yeah, imagine people being so gullible today! Sigh!

Russia launches a staggering 188 drones. Not many got through to their targets, but the Ukrainian air defense forces had to work very hard.

Zelenskyy cites the nearly 200 drones and missiles as proof that Russia isn’t interested in peace.

Biden is working to strengthen Ukraine, but Trump might very well push them to accept a bad deal from Russia.

Russia’s testing the US and Europe with attacks on defense companies to see how far it can go. Those companies have been warned to increase their security. “Putin considers that he is at war with the West.”

Unidentified drones have flown over three U.S. Air Force bases in the U.K. in the past week

Very interesting. British have some cool anti-drone systems.

Europe reacting to Trump’s election to continue helping Ukraine.

Good! Germany will get air defense systems to Ukraine before Christmas!

Interview with Andrii Biletskyi, the commander of the Third Assault Brigade. The motivation of Ukrainian troops is fine, but they could use more people and equipment. Very lengthy interview, video with subtitles supplied.

Interesting! Ir strike hits building from the side instead of falling straight down.

Five unarmed Ukrainian soldiers captured and executed.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/11/26/war-for-ukraine-day-1007-russia-throws-188-drones-4-iskanders-at-ukraine/

17 November 2024

Day 998 War in Ukraine


Nataliia Hrabarchuk left her job as a preschool teacher to become an anti-aircraft gunner. She “downed a Russian cruise missile on her first attempt.”

Russia launches a very broad, deep and wide assault of drones and missiles that it takes an enormous amount of space to document it all. “120 missiles and 90 attack drones. “ F-16 jets were used to repel some of the missiles.

NY Times reports that Ukraine can now use ATACMS missiles to strike targets in Russia. Ukraine can at first use the missiles in Kursk province, but that might be expanded later.

Many Ukrainians welcome having permission to strike Russian targets, but feel that permission should have been given over a year ago. Ukraine doesn’t have enough missiles to hit all the worthwhile targets in Kursk. Our blogger is less than impressed.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said that Russia’s latest attack against Ukraine proved the ineffectiveness of telephone diplomacy.

Moldova complains that their airspace was violated.

A European coommenter blames German Chancellor Scholz’s phone call to Putin and Trump’s criticism of Zelenskyy for the massive aerial assault as both demonstrated weakness. Strength doesn’t provoke Putin. Weakness does.

Russian aerial assault was aimed at Ukraine’s energy grid. The attack was aimed at the “cities of Kropyvnytskyi, Rivne, Ivano-Frankivsk, Cherkasy, Dnipro, Vinnytsia, Kryvyi Rih, Odesa, Zaporizhzhia, as well as in the Khmelnytskyi and Volyn oblasts.”

Counting up the damage to civilians as a result of the mass aerial assault. The missiles and drones were “targeting not for victory but for deprivation – aiming to plunge the nation into darkness and cold.”

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/11/17/war-for-ukraine-day-998-sumy-burns/

13 November 2024

Day 994 War in Ukraine

 

Heartbreaking! Ukrainian children rush to school in the bomb shelter as air raid sirens sound!

Kyiv has denied that it seeks nuclear weapons and with the nuclear materials available to it, it could only build a very small bomb anyway. Ukraine’s Foreign ministry says that it’s committed to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. All that being said, it would be quite possible for Ukraine to obtain nukes if Trump seriously threatened to stop funding Ukraine’s war against Russia’s war of aggression.

Biden Administration would like to see additional funding for Ukraine in 2025 budget. It will increase funding in the meantime.

Tulsi Gabbard is being nominated for director of National Intelligence. NATO countries are likely to stop sharing intelligence with the US if she takes that position.

Ukraine will get 6th German air defense system.

Candidates for German Chancellor differ on getting long-range Taurus missiles to Ukraine.

Pretty good score against Russian aerial attack, but some got through.

Molniya drones hitting in Kharkiv.

Some attacking Russians near Kupiansk violated laws of war by wearing Ukrainian uniforms.

Russian counter-offensive near Kursk doing poorly, suffering heavy losses. Ukraine takes out “1,950 personnel and 104 destroyed armored vehicles” in a single day.

Pion is Soviet-era self-propelled 203 mm cannon (18 kg of explosive) that Ukraine is using.

Explosion kills Russian officers.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/11/13/war-for-ukraine-day-994-a-brief-wednesday-night-update/

10 November 2024

Day 990 War in Ukraine


Press exploring a city that embodies resilience.

Zelenskyy spoke with Trump and was pleased, but an aide of Trump’s warned that Crimea is los to Ukraine forever. So the situation is as clear as mud.

Zelenskyy reports that Ukraine’s military factories are in good financial shape. He wonders why Europe has plenty of air defense systems sitting idle, while Ukraine could really use some of those.

Estonia, at least, is offering more air defense.

Biden Administration trying to get $7 billion worth of weapons out the door to Ukraine prior to the inauguration. They’re concerned that many of these weapons will still be en route when Trump takes office, but somehow many more weapons were supposed to have been delivered than were ever actually delivered.

Russia will be able to produce 30% more artillery shells than all EU member states combined next year

Another Ukrainian POW executed.

Would it actually help Ukraine to get restrictions on use of ATACMS lifted? Tatarigami’s Frontillegence has concluded that Russia has move strategic assets back from the front lines, but that many assets remain within range.

Ukrainians have recovered a downed, but intact, Russian Shahed drone with a thermobaric warhead.

Russian oil refineries in Saratov hit.

Schools in the Voronezh region of Russia received a prank demand that they make tinfoil hats to protect against NATO signals. Some complied.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/11/09/war-for-ukraine-day-990-mixed-signals/


08 November 2024

Day 988 War in Ukraine

 

Trump wants a quick, simple answer to war in Ukraine. Not gonna happen.

Kyiv was placed under a nine-hour drone assault. Now the Shahed drones are equipped with thermobaric warheads. Again, these drones are hitting civilians areas of the city.

Trump wants to delay Ukraine’s entry into NATO by 20 years. In return, Ukraine would continue to be armed. Not sure how the war gets solved “in 24 hours” then. Of course, that means freezing the current front lines, which is no solution at all. Neither side agrees with Trump’s idea of peace in 24 hours.

Tatarigami adds that Europe would have to do the heavy lifting of arming Ukraine AND to increase aid well beyond what it is. The US has great leverage over Russia, but must be willing to use it and it’s clear Trump won’t.

Russia opposed Trump’s plan for peace in Ukraine. Russia seeks “control over the government in UA, its military and defense industrial capabilities,” in other words, Ukraine’s surrender.

Good! “The U.S. will send Ukraine the full $6 billion” that’s in the pipeline before Inauguration Day.

There’s absolutely NO reason to presume that Trump has ANY desire to aid Ukraine.

A 12-story residential building in Kharkiv is bombed.

Two gas pipelines in Odesa blown up. Russians “targeting port infrastructure and damaging several civilian vessels.”

Russian two-star general killed.

Dagestan is used for Iran to get drones to Russia. Ukraine is hitting that area with drones.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/11/07/war-for-ukraine-day-988-a-brief-thursday-night-update/

02 November 2024

Day 983 War in Ukraine


 

Alexander Malkevich has been extremely active in Russian propaganda and was in Tblisi, the Capitol of Georgia. Looking as though Georgia will follow Belarus in becoming a Russian satellite.

Russia sends Shahed drone against Kyiv for six hours! Total number of Shaheds attacking Kyiv per day has averaged over 60 a day.

Russia stepping up its game against US election with 21 fake videos. Moldova also getting lots of election interference.

US says that if North Koreans engage in combat, they become legitimate military targets. Hard to see what the alternative would be. Is Russia weak because it employs North Korean troops or is it simply solving a problem? Russia is actually advancing in Ukraine.

The fellow running the Kyiv School of Economics feels the US has ben extremely weak in supporting Ukraine. Ukraine can’t strike North Korean troops even though they know where they are, but Israel has no restrictions. Russian aerial attacks on cities have drawn no response from US.

US could show leadership on admitting Ukraine into NATO.

Is the US perhaps waiting until after the election so as not to give Trump an issue? Or does the Biden Administration simply have hubris?

Apparently a poison gassing of Ukrainian troops in Brussels, Belgium. Blogger: "We have a term for these types of things: acts of war.”

Russian attack of 22 units (tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, 120 infantry) stopped

Russia loses another air defense system to Ukrainian heavy night bomber drone.

Russia attacks on 70km wide front. Ukrainian forces might end up being enveloped.

Now Kharkiv residents have to worry about underwater mines as well.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/11/02/war-for-ukraine-day-983-shaheds-swarm-kyiv/

01 November 2024

Day 982 War in Ukraine


North Korean troops are clearly intended for direct combat roles.

Russia launched 2,023 UAVs in October. Ukraine knocked down a really large chunk of them, but a lot got through. Probably about 170k foreign components. Sanctions aren’t nearly tight enough.

Zelenskyy comments on North Korean soldiers that aren’t far from Ukraine. He’s getting really annoyed at his inability to use long-range missiles.

Ukrainian Minister of Defense Umerov knows full well that Ukraine is only getting 10% of what the US has promised, but he has to keep up the pretense. Zelenskyy blames “bureaucracy and logistics.”

The US announced a new package today, which is good. Money for weapons for Ukraine is certainly being spent.

Poland constructing an 700km long Eastern wall, fortifications against Belarus/Russia.

It is possible that the Russian Armed Forces will achieve a local breakthrough in the Pokrovsk, Kurakhovo or Vuhledar areas this year.

South Korea is seriously considering aiding Ukraine. “But the prospect of directly supplying arms to Ukraine has been fiercely opposed by South Korea’s leftwing opposition, which holds a majority in parliament…”

Federal agencies ODNI, FBI and CISA release statement on Russian interference in US election.

Kharkiv is getting hit every day now.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/11/01/war-for-ukraine-day-982-russia-double-tap-strikes-kharkiv-attacks-odesa-drone-strikes-sumy/

29 October 2024

Day 979 war in Ukraine

Ramzan Kadyrov Spetsnaz university Ukrainian drone strike.

All out aerial assault on cities close to the front.

Zelenskyy answers the suggestion that Ukraine freeze its conflict with Russia. That would involve Russian troops remaining on Ukrainian soil.

With Zelenskyy’s “Victory Plan,” he might be seeking to blame the West if he ends up having to surrender territory and/or sign a temporary truce agreement. Zelenskyy wants a “non-nuclear deterrent” of Tomahawk missiles. They have a range 7 times that of ATACMS.

Illia Ponomarenko asks if Tomahawk missiles are unacceptable, then what is the alternative?

Talks between Ukraine and Russia on not striking each others energy facilities.

Russian military school bombed.

CSIS asserts that North Korean troops are poorly prepared for combat. “’The conclusion is clear — this war is becoming internationalised, extending beyond two countries,’ Zelenskyy said.”

US running low on air defense missiles. Israel’s need to defend against Iranian missiles is a drain on that resource. “The U.S. has not developed a defense industrial base intended for a large-scale war of attrition in both Europe and the Middle East, while meeting its own readiness standards.” As the blogger says: “We are now almost three years into Russia’s genocidal re-invasion of Ukraine and over a year into whatever it is we’re doing in the Middle East as a result of the Israel-Hamas war and no one has put the US defense industrial base on a war footing.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/10/29/war-for-ukraine-day-979-russia-drone-swarms-kyiv-kharkiv-krivyi-rih-kherson-more-ukrainian-civilian-targets/


 

28 October 2024

Day 978 War in Ukraine


The Derzhprom building or State Industry building in Kharkiv Completed in 1928, was one of the first skyscrapers in the Soviet Union and the largest construct made of reinforced concrete at the time.“

Zelenskyy: “This week alone, the occupiers have used over 1,100 guided aerial bombs, more than 560 strike drones, and approximately 20 missiles of various types against our country.”

Zelenskyy “participated in the 4th Ukraine-Nordic Summit where he gave remarks and then did a joint press conference. He also sat for an interview with the Times of India.

North Korean troops in Ukraine is now 10k.

Croatia planning major tank/IFV transfer to Ukraine.

Georgian President (backed by the West) and Prime Minister (backed by Russia) take polar opposite positions on the recent election, with the President charging that te Prime Minister was cheating. Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán visits to try and mediate, gets booed by citizens.

Elon Musk is an incedibly dangerous security risk. His technology is NOT is safe hands!

Fiona Hill sees the US drifting into an oligarchy. Putin, Trump and Musk see themselves as part of a group of peers. They care deeply what fellow members of the group think of them. Starlink could use satellite relay stations in Russia and china, which means he needs the friendship of Putin and Xi.

One of the participants in Trump’s electoral plots. “And they have huddled in private, weekly meetings, methodically laying the groundwork that could be used to contest a Trump defeat.”

What we’ve been seeing is Trump, high net worth individuals and hostile foreign powers all working together to overthrow the state.

Up near Kursk, we’ve got Bradley IFVs and Abrams tanks working together.

Drones are not like artillery shells, they can hover, examine the target and then hit a very specific point.

A look at how Vovchansk has fared under Russian shelling.

Kharkiv, Kherson and Nikopol suffering attacks.

A sewage line has burst in Moscow, producing a very tall, smelly brown geyser.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/10/28/war-for-ukraine-day-978-russia-strikes-at-a-kharkiv-landmark-unesco-heritage-site/



27 October 2024

Day 976 war in Ukraine

Georgia is having an election now, ruling party sees it as a choice between war and peace, opposition party sees it as choice between pro-Europe or pro-Russia path. Lots of violence and irregularities reported. Voting is finished, but isn’t clear who won. Blogger think ruling party has “become increasingly unpopular and, in response, increasingly tyrannical.”

Quickie list of Ukrainian civilians killed overnight indicates 6 killed, including a child and a 16-year old, 28 injured, one child lost an arm.

Zelenskyy: Lack of Western decisiveness encourages aggression from Russia.

Mother greets son after he spent 30 months as Russian POW.

North Korean troops have been deployed near Kursk, where Ukraine invaded Russian territory.

Israel destroys Iranian ability to produce ballistic missiles, which helps Ukraine.

EU preparing for effect of Donal Trump winning US election. If he cuts off flow of US weapons to Ukraine, that could have a terrible effect.

From September 202 to September 2024, Russia has launched an average of 23 missiles a day. Ukraine has intercepted almost 80% of them. 52 distinct models of missiles.

Russians still advancing near Vuhledar.

Russian oil refinery set ablaze. It processes 17 million ton per year.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/10/26/war-for-ukraine-day-976-odesa-under-attack/


 

25 October 2024

Day 975 war in Ukraine

 

120-year old Ukrainian Christmas Carol sung at Carnegie Hall.

Russia attacks with missiles and drones.

Ukrainians are hard at work, preparing for the heating season.

Worst of both worlds. Ukraine refrains from certain actions, but Russia does not respond with reciprocal restraint.

North Korea supplying about 60% of artillery shells used in Ukraine.

Black Insurrectionist” was actually a white guy, was spreading “unverified information from dubious sources” and was a crook.

Elon Musk had secret conversations with Vladimir Putin. By the way, Musk purchased Twitter with financial help from “the children of sanctioned Russian oligarchs.”

ATACMS can reach 300 km, Ukraine’s “home grown” missile can reach 500 km.

Another BUK-M3 air defense system taken out by a heavy drone at night.

North Korean troops reported to where Ukraine made an incursion near Kursk.

Putin justifies the war in Ukraine by saying that Russia was taking defensive action over NATO expanding up to Russia’s borders. He ignores that Ukraine is not some lifeless chess piece, but actively does not wish to be to be occupied by Russia.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/10/25/war-for-ukraine-day-975-russia-has-been-bombarding-central-northern-ukraine-for-hours/

08 October 2024

Day 958 War in Ukraine

Russian oil tanks ignited in Feodosia. This is the second day of those oil tanks burning!

Wow! US spokespeople engage in serious delusions as to how well Ukrainian air defense works.

Zelenskyy (words to the effect of) “C’mon guys! Don’t keep your anti-aircraft weapons locked away in warehouses! WE need them!” Lots of military equipment the US has, but won’t give to Ukraine.

Russia bombed a children’s hospital two months ago. Russians have interpreted the lack of consequences as permission to keep doing that.

Slovak sends “over €4 million, which allowed the purchase of 122 tons of ammunition.”

France will get Mirage 2000 fighter jets in the first quarter of 2025.

Hungary has blocked the European Union from getting €35 billion that was promised to Ukraine. Did Trump and Putin agree on that during one of Trump’s private phone calls to Putin? There were at least seven such phone calls since Trump left office.

Fascinating detail on how Saudi Crown Prince bin Salman communicates with various Americans. Our blogger explains the significance of the method.

Biden thought Obama never took Putin seriously.

Good! VP Harris would refuse to engage in peace talks with Russia without Ukraine present. She also looks down on Trump’s “peace” proposal concerning Ukraine. European allies will be delighted if Harris wins in November!

Rise in Russian executions of Ukrainian prisoners of war.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/10/08/war-for-ukraine-day-958-a-lot-to-cover-tonight/


 

02 October 2024

Day 952 War in Ukraine


Vuhledar is gone. It’s now just rubble and occupied by Russia. Ukrainian troops had to depart as Russian troops were threatening to encircle them.

Bombing in Kharkiv of a residential building. Shahed drone strikes against Kyiv, Khmelnyskyi, Vinnytsia, and Rivne Oblasts.

From Zelenskyy’s daily speech today: “’Shahed’ drones targeted ordinary civilian infrastructure – a ferry terminal, cargo trucks, a warehouse with grain. The very thing that Russian terrorists always perceive as a target is the food security of the region and the world.”

Zelenskyy wishes a “Shanah Tovah to Jewish communities across Ukraine and around the world as they mark #RoshHashanah.”

A counting-up of the summer’s civilian casualties (1 Jun to 31 Aug): “At least 589 Ukrainian civilians were killed and another 2,685 injured”

Very interesting and lengthy thread on how the US and Europe view Ukraine and Russia.

Russians have improved their battlefield performance: “Enemy troops are storming the battlefields in small teams that minimize detection and make return fire difficult, backed by superior quantities of artillery and drones.”

Film clip of a glide bomb hitting Vovchansk.

More on the drones of Kherson chasing down civilian residents of the city. “Drones are now flying in groups and attacking everything that moves.” and “Under attack are people walking, driving, bicycling, going to work or standing by grocery stores.”

Okhmatdyt suffered a massive missile attack several months ago.

Russian crop-duster hit by friendly fire that thought he was a Ukrainian drone.

https://balloon-juice.com/2024/10/02/war-for-ukraine-day-952-kharkiv-under-attack-once-more/

05 July 2015

Friend request


Phillip,
So you'd like to become Facebook buddies again, eh? Your main issue when you and I agreed to break off was that I believed in working both through and outside the Democratic Party and you believed in working exclusively outside of it.

This picture of Obama you ran indicates your feeling haven't changed and I assure you mine haven't either.
My big issue with you is that I've been working in political communications, mostly as a hobby, pretty much my whole life, and I've got to say, your method of writing lengthy messages using only Facebook comments has got to be the most ineffective form of communication I've ever seen. I just can't imagine a LESS effective way to get a message across!
There are people who use Twitter effectively. Here's a piece using Twitter messages collected by Storify. There's a bit of an art to it, but the results are far more effortlessly informative than your collection of comments are.
And as I said, blogs from Blogger and Wordpress are free.

Rich

10 July 2007

Proposed letter

The Philadelphia Regional Anti-War Network (PRAWN) invites you to become part of the coalition to help bring an end to this war. In order for the peace movement to be successful we need to join forces whenever possible. In this spirit of cooperation, we invite your organization/membership to join us this summer as we present a series of peace/anti-war movies with accompanying panel discussions. Our proposal is to have the movies in various locations in the region, co-hosting/co-sponsoring with all of your groups and members. We would love your input, suggestions and ideas.

Our hope is that in the future, we can support each other’s vigils, actions, and legislative alerts, etc, to mobilize our combined membership base to push our representatives to end this war! Together we CAN DO IT!

To kick off this "mission" our first event will be on June 24th from 1-3p.m. at the Friends Center at 15th and Cherry St, which has graciously agreed to provide the venue for the screening of (need the name of the film). Please join us, bring some snacks to share, and your ideas for the next summer movie screening. We are hoping to hold them on the 4th Sunday of each month (unless this conflicts with other peace groups and their meetings)

The peace movement suffered a loss this week as Cindy Sheehan stepped down to attend to her family and her personal needs. She mentioned that one of the biggest hurdles was getting the various peace groups to work together, let us take that as a challenge to prove that indeed, it can be done. Please RSVP to: prawn@lists.riseup.net to indicate your personal or organizational interest in this or future collaborations.

Peace,
PRAWN



Send to:
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Mainerocks@aol.com (Susan McBride) for MOVE ON
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greenseed@comcast.net (Terry Rumsey) for Delaware County Wage Peace and Justice
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Grannies brigade: Nina Huizinga ,
I will forward to both Code Pinks on the yahoo group, as you need to be a member to post.--Debi

26 September 2005

Food for thought on demonstration

From James Wolcott:

The absence of debate is undeniably a sign of shame and cowardice, yet I can't blame high-profile Democrats from absenting themselves from yesterday's antiwar demo and march in DC. Steve Gilliard confessed that he watched about an hour of the rally and was so p.o.'d that he wanted to do an Elvis to his TV screen. I'm a less patient hothead than Steve. I only lasted about ten minutes watching the rally on C-SPAN, which made Stepford Wives selling Christmas kitsch on QVC--no fooling, at QVC the "Christmas Countdown" has already begun--must-see viewing by comparison. Here are the problems with mass rallies and marches on TV.

1) They all look alike. They're interchangeable pedestrian jams. If you didn't know what year it was, you wouldn't have known whether this demo was taking place in 2003 or 2004 or spring of 2005, because apart from Cindy Sheehan and a few others, it was the same cast of characters you always get at these protest smorgasbords, which remind me of WBAI at its most doctrinaire PC, where every faction and caucus has to be represented and heard no matter how boring or splintery or tangential to the event they are. What you get is an event that seems to have been exhumed from a time capsule buried in some aging ponytailed radical's back yard.

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2) The scale is all wrong for TV.

To be heard before thousands of gatherers, speakers feel they have to shout into the mike and every every phrase sound STENTORIAN. But for the larger audience at home, it's like being harangued, and who wants to be harangued, especially by speakers pounding you with played-out slogans? And no matter how large the crowd, on TV it looks like congested clutter, a sea of tiny, ugly billboards. It really doesn't help that so many of the signs are homemade and hackneyed. As the camera panned over the crowd yesterday, I saw placards featuring Mumia and Malcolm X, and I thought, What have they got to do with what's happening now in Iraq? The placards looked as dated as punk Mohawks in the East Village, and watching protesters wave them around as if they were in the studio audience trying to get Monty Hall's attention on Let's Make a Deal didn't help.

With her vigil near the Crawford ranch, Cindy Sheehan carved out an original protest space. The magnitude of yesterday's protest miniaturized her. It was as if she was swallowed up inside a whale aslosh with flotsam. I don't know what the answer is to the lack of adversarial energy against this accursed war, but what I do know is that yesterday's flea circus wasn't it.


From Steve Gilliard:

You know, it's time for the campus radicals to go home and take ANSWER with them.

I watched an hour or so of the rally and I wanted to smash my screen.

Why can't they have adults who can speak in words, not slogans.

Here's a hint, Palestine is really unpopular in the US, even among liberals. You do not gain support for the Palestinians by having some campus clown talk about the injustices of the Palestinian people. You know, why not have a real Palestinian from Palestine who doesn't speak in slogans. You know, but a human face on it. And leave the support of terrorists like FARC at home, after all, you can't call Israelis terrorists when you're praising drug dealing terrorists.

This is serious shit and I had to listen to someone say he was a communist. Now what in the fuck does that have to do with Iraq? Too many people on the left glom on to any protest and use it as their hobby horse. You know, the only people I wanted to express solidarity with were the families of the soldiers, the soldiers and the people of Iraq suffering from US occupation. It may be cute to have diversity, but it takes away from the seriousness. You have a rally where only soldiers and their families speak, with a few pols, and even Bush couldn't ignore that.

One of the most effective protests of the Vietnam War was the Winter Soldier Hearings in Detroit. They talked about the war and their role in it. That is something people need to see more than once a week on FX.

As long as you prattle on about anti-imperialism and other college campus radical causes, you don't get taken seriously. ANSWER in their own way is as bad as the Chickenhawks. Both are amazingly selfish. The chickenhawks refuse to serve, the ANSWER crowd uses people like Cindy Sheehan to promote their own agenda. Mumia's ass is in jail, and you couldn't more than 10 minutes on black radio about him. And that's a cause?

I just want to see a protest where there is only one topic, Iraq, the only speakers are talking about Iraq and all the signs are about Iraq. That anyone who mentions some nonsense like the "Popular Front" is shoved off the stage with a flying tackle. Talk about Iraq. But leave the other causes at home. I don't really care about what a Israeli refusenik has to say if the topic isn't Iraq.

Look at this list of speakers:

Jessica Lange, actor

* George Galloway, British Member of Parliament
* Ramsey Clark, former U.S. attorney general
* Cindy Sheehan*
* Dolores Huerta, Co-Founder, United Farm Workers of America
* Malik Rahim, New Orleans community activist who survived Hurricane Katrina
* Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney
* Ralph Nader
* Mahdi Bray, Exec. Dir., Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation
* Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, attorney/co-founder, Partnership for Civil Justice, National Lawyers Guild
* Elias Rashmawi, National Council of Arab Americans
* Brian Becker, National Coordinator, A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition
* Lynne Stewart, human rights attorney
* Rev. Al Sharpton*
* Anita Dennis, mother of Iraq War veteran / resister
* Clayola Brown, President of the A. Philip Randolph Institute, Vice President of UNITE HERE*
* Ben Dupuy, Former Ambassador At Large for the government of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide
* Jos Williams, President, President of the Metropolitan Washington Council, AFL-CIO
* Michael Berg, father of Nicholas Berg
* Christine Araquel, Alliance for a Just and Lasting Peace in the Philippines
* Andy Thayer, Equality Campaign
* Curtis Muhammed, Community Labor Union of New Orleans
* Margaret Prescod, Global Women's Strike
* Hadi Jawad, founder of Crawford Peace House
* Chris Silvera, Teamsters Black Caucus
* Musa Al-Hindi, Al-Awda National
* Michel Shehadeh, L.A-8 defendant, a Palestinian activist framed COINTELPRO-style
* Nancy Wolforth, Executive Vice President, AFL-CIO
* Manuel Santos, Socialist Front of Puerto Rico
* Brenda Stokely, Million Worker March, New York City Labor Against the War
* Peta Lindsay, Youth and Student A.N.S.W.E.R. Student, Howard University student
* Mounzer Sleiman, National Council of Arab Americans
* Macrina Cardenas, Mexicanos Sin Fronteras
* Jeanette Caceres, Spoken word artist from New York University
* Gloria La Riva, National Committee to Free the Five
* Riya Ortiz, Network in Solidarity with the People of the Philippines, Campaign for Justice Not War
* Larry Holmes, Troops Out Now Coalition
* Chuck Kaufman, Nicaragua Network
* Women's Anti-Imperialist League
* Representative of Bayan USA
* Eugene Puryear, Youth and Student A.N.S.W.E.R. Student, Howard University student" link


Let's face facts. ANSWER are parasites who use our good intentions to push their agenda. So instead of rejoycing about the massive turnout, a hint that Bush's war is extremely unpopular, we're debating the speaker list and their abuse of their audience.

The reason ANSWER does this shit is because no one stands up to them. They get the permits, but UFPJ draws the crowd. If Leslie Cagan said no to their antics, ANSWER would have like 3000 people.

There is nothing wrong at being angry at ANSWER, but remember, other people use them to make their points and swallow the polemics.

That needs to stop. If people are sick of ANSWER's antics, call them on it. Bitching about them isn't enough.

I mean some of the speakers were in fantasyland. The slogans were from the 1970's.

Nader, Galloway, even the ANSWER people don't bother me. But Mexicanos Sin Fronteras? Lynne Stewart? Uh, she was convicted of aiding a terrorist. She may be innocent in the end, but isn't she a distraction now?

A lot of people want to downplay their role, or ignore it, but the reality is, that every minute of CSPAN devoted to them and their message is going to dilute the anti-war message. A lot of people saw them, and thought that was the rally. Remember, news is about showing what will interest people and if some campus radicals upstage the show, guess what people talk about.

Because CSPAN will be the record of the event, not pictures or news reports, but CSPAN.

And what's even more special is that ANSWER people think that can convince people by bringing up Palestine as an issue and linking it to Iraq. Winning strategy, if you're Osama Bin Laden. For Americans, it doesn't work so well.

Let's just call it the spoiled child, tone deaf approach to politics.

The next protest should have two sets of speakers: veterans and their families.

Leave the Palestinian flag waving anti-imperialists at home.

Why?

Because this is about politics and one clear message works really well. The left parade doesn't. Even if the press ignores it. AIPAC didn't. Which kept the Congressmembers away. And they were right to point out that the groups there would bash Israel and forget about the senders of child suicide bombers from Hamas. It's an ugly two way street and raising the issue was stupid as all hell.

People can pretend that the CSPAN coverage didn't matter, but it did. It mattered to millions of liberals who saw that circus and said they would pass on the next protest. It mattered to people who financially support such protests. It mattered to polticians and their staffs. It matters. How you conduct yourself matters and what you represent matters.

Think about this: do you have a school prayer protest at an anti-abortion rally?

Fuck no. One message is clear, Fifteen are not.



To comment on Wolcott's point #2 (“...speakers feel they have to shout into the mike and every every phrase sound STENTORIAN”), the speakers at small rallies are usually quite clear and the center of attention. At large rallies, I usually can't even see the main speaker. At a demonstration in New York, we assembled at a place that included a medium-sized stadium and so were able to get a good show out of it (No, the speakers didn't have to shout) but it only showed to a small fraction of the people assembled for the march.

So I agree, as the speakers at a large demonstration are only going to reach a small fraction of the marchers in any event and are more likely to be speaking to “the choir” as only the committed will go up close to the stage, organizers of a large protest should choreograph the speakers for a television audience. Steve is absolutely on the money for that. Assemble a tightly focussed group, set them up for a small stage, have them speak softly and have them concentrate on persuasion. Anybody wants to bring in side issues, let them pass out leaflets.